tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post6864062037332154961..comments2024-03-27T14:08:51.191-05:00Comments on American Indians in Children's Literature (AICL): Home for awhile, racial profiling, an upcoming essay...Debbie Reesehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14972409006633565859noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-22707829704596684422010-04-25T22:28:56.689-05:002010-04-25T22:28:56.689-05:00And had this happened in Arizona with the new law ...And had this happened in Arizona with the new law - you'd have been asked to show proof of citizenship! I mention this just to let you know that I've linked to this blog post on a friend's blog.<br /><br />http://imagine1community.blogspot.com/2010/04/uncivil-law.html <br /><br />-jcJCDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06807679612541319281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-1839277945845377752009-06-17T16:24:58.824-05:002009-06-17T16:24:58.824-05:00Debbie, I'm not at all surprised to see an an...Debbie, I'm not at all surprised to see an anonymous white commenter explain how your reactions and perceptions were inaccurate, despite the amount of research and analysis on the reality of racial profiling. <br /><br />"You should never feel afraid" is very easy to say when you are not a person of color.Deluxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-17045575243591875302009-06-15T15:48:38.945-05:002009-06-15T15:48:38.945-05:00I'm sorry that you felt you were being raciall...I'm sorry that you felt you were being racially profiled, but my husband is a state police officer and those are standard questions. As a white woman, I've been asked similar questions before, including the "do you speak English."<br /><br />Maybe your experiences have caused you to become hyper-sensitive. You should never feel afraid, but as another commenter mentioned, I don't think it was because of the color of your skin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-47510739804647523882009-06-14T14:30:32.722-05:002009-06-14T14:30:32.722-05:00I'm so sorry that you were subjected to such r...I'm so sorry that you were subjected to such racism. I am sorry you and your daughter were made to feel so threatened. I'm beyond horrified in part because I'm not surprised. Around here, if you see a car pulled over by the police, the person driving the car is generally NOT white. DWB - as some of the other posters said. Friends of mine (she's white, he's black) were pulled over a few years ago and the police officer asked HER if everything was alright and if she was OK. Clearly, he thought she was being abducted! I'm glad you reported the incident.Maihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063841471328911196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-36962514575519004552009-06-14T09:12:44.651-05:002009-06-14T09:12:44.651-05:00Cynical foreigner says: Probably the bit where you...Cynical foreigner says: Probably the bit where you mentioned you were a professor, etc. That means you're going to be someone who can call a lawyer, someone who might well Know People who can bring hassle and consequences for this asshole for this kind of behaviour. And because you're a university professor, he's not that likely to get away with telling blatant lies about you - people might believe YOU. Getting that far away from his car he'd be getting away from the video camera cop cars often have. Asshole.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-76791128983333320562009-06-12T09:29:02.303-05:002009-06-12T09:29:02.303-05:00Debbie, he picked you not just for the color of yo...Debbie, he picked you not just for the color of your skin, but because you are a woman, with her young daughter. This was an extension of the sexual harrassment/violence that women of color are subject to by males in positions of authority. If you had NOT told him that you are a professor, and spoken so clearly (i.e., without an "accent"), I suspect - I KNOW - that the officer would have treated you worse still. We do not yet live in a police state, and you do not have to give a complete stranger access to your daughter on the side of the road. Sounds to me like this officer broke with most of the protocol of a stop. Don't be fooled by the fact that you did not get his number or name; his superiors will know who was patrolling that section of that road at that day and time. You can ask for a photo line up. Your responses (filing with ACLU and getting a complaint form from OK) are absolutely brilliant. Please don't beat yourself up for not being more resistant or aggressive. That is not what this country trains women of color to be, and even we "enlightened" academics know this. Plus, you had your daughter with you. If you had been arrested or cuffed, who would have taken care of her? Fight back on YOUR turf: blog, write essays, file complaints, and use the enemy's language to hoist him by his own petard. I'm proud of you for putting this out there - it's a violation, and nothing less. -- sorry, your blog is not accepting my gmail account, I'll try posting as anonymous. Deborah A. MirandaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-22490096271448908262009-06-10T12:33:33.376-05:002009-06-10T12:33:33.376-05:00(Here via Jonquil's link)
Just wanted to add ...(Here via Jonquil's link)<br /><br />Just wanted to add my voice to the general chorus of 'I can't believe we're living in the twenty-first century and a law officer believes it's ok to act like that.'green_knighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16499896006012152260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-26123003819232142412009-06-09T23:59:35.126-05:002009-06-09T23:59:35.126-05:00How horrible! I'm so sorry you had to deal wit...How horrible! I'm so sorry you had to deal with that. Thanks for writing about it, though. I think it's important for these stories to be told.k8https://www.blogger.com/profile/07547334819703279971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-34218742441863909022009-06-09T18:24:13.679-05:002009-06-09T18:24:13.679-05:00Hideous and inappropriate. A bitter reminder of wh...Hideous and inappropriate. A bitter reminder of white privilege, as well {it always stings, but never hurts, for me to remember all the "invisible" benefits of being white}. I'm glad you filed complaints appropriately. <br /><br />Your description of the fear that gripped you while talking with a police person reminded me of the fear that gripped me when I was mugged. Terrible that those who should engender a sense of protectedness, of well-being, instead use their position to frighten.kbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-31974843028646705542009-06-09T17:07:09.395-05:002009-06-09T17:07:09.395-05:00Thank you for sharing that. I remember now we can ...Thank you for sharing that. I remember now we can use the ACLU in these types of situations. I live here in Okla. and know that the law is cracking down on illegal immigrants here in the State. Just because your skin is brown doesn't give the law the right to interrogate you..Sid Armstrong Native American Artisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11284031034709483291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-3185531045664597542009-06-09T17:01:02.296-05:002009-06-09T17:01:02.296-05:00Very upsetting. For so many reasons. But mostly be...Very upsetting. For so many reasons. But mostly because -- although we don't quite have a police state-- the law definitely is POWERFUL and one doesn't want it "assuming" stuff of innocent drivers. I hate feeling powerless but when encountering the police that's the feeling like to induce in people...fear and trembling. They leech on fear. Am so sorry it happened. -CCarole McDonnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15443401088634718848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-9718158998941621602009-06-09T16:53:26.438-05:002009-06-09T16:53:26.438-05:00I'm so sorry this happened to you and Liz, Deb...I'm so sorry this happened to you and Liz, Debbie. This kind of thing is common here in California, too. The offense is called "DWB"—Driving While Brown. For a lot of young people, as you know, this crap starts before they're old enough to drive. Years ago, my son and his friend were followed around a supermarket by the security guard, who was glaring at them. They were, like, ten years old. When the guard saw this enraged (white) parent approaching him, he backed off. I know, in my heart, it could have ended differently. Anyway, be well.Beverly Slapinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-1157188480449488872009-06-09T16:47:43.038-05:002009-06-09T16:47:43.038-05:00I think it sounds like you acted with great presen...I think it sounds like you acted with great presence of mind, Debbie. It would be so frightening to have an authority figure with a gun obviously trying pin something on you. I'm sorry and ashamed for our country that such a thing happened to you.Ariel Zeitlin Cookehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16598505786851656235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-12918862967639471222009-06-09T16:31:07.258-05:002009-06-09T16:31:07.258-05:00Debbie, thanks for telling us about this. Unbelie...Debbie, thanks for telling us about this. Unbelievably disturbing.Monica Edingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03924540264341924291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-24266238910090395182009-06-09T15:54:10.146-05:002009-06-09T15:54:10.146-05:00That's so awful. :( I'm glad he stopped at...That's so awful. :( I'm glad he stopped at that point, at least.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-37196858861433192052009-06-09T13:42:46.352-05:002009-06-09T13:42:46.352-05:00Thank you for sharing this story, and thank you fo...Thank you for sharing this story, and thank you for reporting the incident. I was pulled over twice as a teenager on country roads by officers who got their kicks by scaring and sexually harrassing young women. The encounters shook me up so badly that I still don't drive to this day. Now I really wish I'd reported them, but as a teenager without much family support, who came from a certain part of town, I didn't know how and wasn't sure I'd be believed or taken seriously (which is exactly what people like those cops count on).Robinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-73108522230833123702009-06-09T13:41:14.523-05:002009-06-09T13:41:14.523-05:00This is really disturbing and worrying.This is really disturbing and worrying.Susannenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-89985128749214845342009-06-09T12:38:37.620-05:002009-06-09T12:38:37.620-05:00I'm so sorry that happened, it's so awful ...I'm so sorry that happened, it's so awful and so frightening. It does violence to our souls. and I know what you mean about freezing up and not getting badge numbers, etc. good luck in reporting and pursuing it.Lizhttp://liz-henry.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-91228486267762860932009-06-09T11:28:29.031-05:002009-06-09T11:28:29.031-05:00Debbie, have you seen the frightening video of an ...Debbie, have you seen the frightening video of an Oklahoma cop pulling over an ambulance and <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KluItc365hU" rel="nofollow">choking the paramedic?</a>Kynn Bartletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16242332808446766603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-71484977376560984452009-06-09T11:07:13.262-05:002009-06-09T11:07:13.262-05:00I am so sorry. And disgusted that this would happe...I am so sorry. And disgusted that this would happen.Charlottehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11835101886202235868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-28467976640175292212009-06-09T11:02:05.666-05:002009-06-09T11:02:05.666-05:00Debbie, I am so sorry you had to go through this. ...Debbie, I am so sorry you had to go through this. My sons have experienced this type of profiling many times in Tennessee. Because they are minors we have tried to just be very cooperative. It is tremendously upsetting but the county I live in pulls over minors for any pretense.DianeRChen Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10663210580774914410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-15220728856041297792009-06-09T10:58:38.438-05:002009-06-09T10:58:38.438-05:00I'm sorry this happened to you and your daught...I'm sorry this happened to you and your daughter and thank you for pursuing this with the ACLU and the OK Sheriff's Dept. on behalf of all people who have to endure racial profiling.Lyn Miller-Lachmannhttp://web.mac.com/lynmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-49836942557102325492009-06-09T10:57:35.723-05:002009-06-09T10:57:35.723-05:00Over here from child_lit.
Horrendous incident. G...Over here from child_lit. <br /><br />Horrendous incident. Good luck with following it up.Farah Mendlesohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01951321462450109434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-52114166421098036602009-06-09T10:39:54.655-05:002009-06-09T10:39:54.655-05:00Debbie I am so glad you and your daughter are OK--...Debbie I am so glad you and your daughter are OK-- I wonder what he hoped you had been arrested for?Dluxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-33835068498127005592009-06-09T10:22:32.186-05:002009-06-09T10:22:32.186-05:00Katy,
The link Jonquil posted says that officers ...Katy,<br /><br />The link Jonquil posted says that officers pull people over on bogus pretenses, search their cars, and let them go without issuing citations. Our car was not searched, but he definitely looked it over as he talked to Liz. Thanks for searching for that 500-feet-signal "law" --- I wondered about it but had not yet done research on it.Debbie Reesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14972409006633565859noreply@blogger.com