tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post297845118229338894..comments2024-03-27T14:08:51.191-05:00Comments on American Indians in Children's Literature (AICL): Dear Philip Nel: Some Questions about WAS THE CAT IN THE HAT BLACK: THE HIDDEN RACISM OF CHILDREN'S LITERATURE AND WHY WE NEED DIVERSE BOOKSDebbie Reesehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14972409006633565859noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-63398421956007433012017-01-27T11:10:21.662-06:002017-01-27T11:10:21.662-06:00Anon:
Anon: Thank you. I searched my TL and fou...Anon: <br /><br />Anon: Thank you. I searched my TL and found that tweet. I'm pasting it here. I know the difference but the tweet is, as you said, wrong and harmful. <br /><br />On May 20, 2015, I tweeted this:<br /><br />"An intersection between Native American and Asian American lit is the literature in Hawaii. It is Asian but also Native. #WNDBchat"<br /><br />I know the difference and am wracking my brain, trying to understand why I said that. It is an error, and I am glad you wrote to me. If you could DM me on Twitter, I'll follow and RT you and your work. And--I will be mindful of what I say. <br /><br />Debbie Reesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14972409006633565859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-55614602476289890032017-01-27T10:15:43.102-06:002017-01-27T10:15:43.102-06:00You might not like 'stay in your lane' thi...You might not like 'stay in your lane' thinking but sometimes it's necessary. Like you once tweeted about how an intersection b/t native lit and Asian lit is the lit in Hawai'i. Which it is NOT. This lumping together of Asians and Native Hawaiians (and in a broader context all PI people) is harmful to Hawaiians. Native Hawaiians are a separate people from both Asians AND Native Americans. <br /><br />Please don't talk about issues that you clearly don't understand. You are not Hawaiian so please do not speak about Hawaiian issues. Instead it would be good for you to befriend some Hawaiians who can speak for themselves. Amplify others voices. Don't speak over them. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-8376609122486753452016-03-13T18:46:53.110-05:002016-03-13T18:46:53.110-05:00Argh. Must have hit publish while trying to edit, ...Argh. Must have hit publish while trying to edit, sorry. Tried to add: given that a million tweets about it used the phrase. However, that's just noting a small detail that I thought you'd want to be aware of, not to take away from the rest of your message. Stacy Whitmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10368249394199905486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-46131283403716313152015-12-07T15:35:02.001-06:002015-12-07T15:35:02.001-06:00Dear Debbie,
Thanks for your critique of my unpub...Dear Debbie,<br /><br />Thanks for your critique of my unpublished manuscript. Here are some responses to your queries.<br /><br />Yes, I cite We Need Diverse Books in the manuscript, and in the conclusion (a manifesto for anti-racist children’s literature) recommend WNDB as a resource. My hope is that citing WNDB several times in the manuscript, and in the title, will draw attention to the excellent work they do. I did not know that the phrase is copyrighted. Prompted by your query, I have sought their permission to use it in the subtitle and, if they prefer it not be in the subtitle, will remove it. (The original subtitle was "Structures of Racism in Children's Literature." I changed that after being told that it was too academic. I thought the current subtitle more clearly expressed the idea to a general audience.)<br /><br />As is the case in all of my scholarship, this book builds on a lot of research, all of which I cite. I’ve learned from books, scholarly articles, blog posts, tweets, journalism, conference papers, and more. There are children's literature scholars, critical race theorists, children's & YA literature authors, theorists of affect, among many others. Then, in the Acknowledgments, I name people who have been especially helpful. But I haven't finished compiling the Acknowledgments yet, and I didn't want to publish an incomplete Acknowledgments on the blog — so, that's why I left that part of the blog post deliberately vague.<br /><br />Michelle Alexander's work is amazing. <i>The New Jim Crow</i> should be required reading for every citizen. Even approaching her level of brilliance would be a tall order. So, if the blog post implied that I'm in her league as a writer or scholar, that's not my intent. I aspire to her level of work, which — to be frank — is how I approach all book projects. I want to write something better than I'm capable of, and so I look to other, better scholars as my role models. There are several such models for <i>Was the Cat in the Hat Black?</i> Alexander's <i>The New Jim Crow</i> is one. Robin Bernstein's <i>Racial Innocence</i> is another.<br /><br />I do address my Whiteness in the book, yes. Indeed, I've been deeply concerned about how my subject position (straight White male) may impair my thinking about racism. I wrote a little about that here: http://www.philnel.com/2015/04/04/painofracism/ <br /><br />In conclusion, I think that the book will address your concerns. I’d be glad to send you a copy when it comes out.<br /><br />Thanks for writing.<br /><br />Best regards,<br /><br /><br /><br />PhilPhilip Nelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14547671853776588939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-55968629322343302972015-12-07T15:23:12.596-06:002015-12-07T15:23:12.596-06:00Interesting comments. Like Debbie, I have not yet ...Interesting comments. Like Debbie, I have not yet had the opportunity to read this book, which makes it difficult for me to express an opinion. While I understand the concern about a white male writing this book, I'm conflicted.<br /><br />Do we want voices of Native Peoples and other oppressed groups to be heard? Certainly. Is it helpful to criticize white persons of good will who attempt to illuminate the subject by writing or speaking about these issues? Perhaps not. It appears that the white people of good will who are concerned about racism in children's literature are allies in seeking to educate about the deficiencies and problems in children's literature.<br /><br />If there is a work by an indigenous person or other member of an oppressed group on the subject which covers the same concerns in the same depth and as competently (and there well may be), then certainly it should be selected over the work of the white male. It comes directly from the source without being filtered through a white and/or male voice.<br /><br />But, I worry about discouraging white people from being involved in the discussion. It is necessary for white people to change their hearts and minds and institutions in order to create change. Dismissing good faith efforts because of flaws may not help to accomplish this.<br /><br />And he didn't say he was equal to Michelle Alexander. He said the book was an attempt to tackle the world of children's literature in a similar way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-22094125525464088822015-12-05T18:41:53.382-06:002015-12-05T18:41:53.382-06:00Perry,
I think it was in the late 1990s when you ...Perry,<br /><br />I think it was in the late 1990s when you and I met in person. By then we knew of each other by way of our participation in conversations on child_lit. Time blurs specifics but if I remember correctly, your visit to the campus of the University of Illinois (at the invitation of Betsy Hearne, I think), where you saw first hand the many ways that UIUC's racist mascot manifested itself, impacted your thinking. Time and again I wrote about the context for my work in children's literature -- pointing to UIUC's mascot. <br /><br />I admired you then--and taught your Pleasures of Children's Literature--when I taught children's literature. And I admired your later writings, where you revisited some of your earlier writings. I could look some of this up to confirm, but I think it is in HOME that you wrote about revisiting a children's book about a First Nations story about masks. <br /><br />I haven't read the one you reference above, the one about O'Dell's book and the questions you have about it now. There's powerful learning in what you disclose--learning that I hope others will model, me included. We grow, as scholars. We revisit, rethink, and are better when we are able to do that. <br /><br />I certainly don't want to be accused of silencing you--or Phil, either. There are people out there who are critical of me for saying anything at all about books like <i>A Fine Dessert</i>. That whole "stay in your lane" line of thinking is a sure way to stop growth and understanding. We have so much work to do that will require all of us pushing as hard as we can in as many ways as we can. <br /><br />Justine,<br /><br />Thank you for your comment, too! For those who don't know, Justine's novel, <i>Liar</i> was--if I recall correctly (again wondering about my memory)--at the heart of very terse discussions about whitewashed covers. In his post, Phil said his book is also going to look at whitewashed covers. I wonder if your writings about it will be cited in his book? <br /><br />Everyone,<br /><br />Perry and Justine are on Twitter. I interact with them there. Some months ago, Perry and I were sharing illustrations of various editions of Peter Pan. I read Justine's blog and hope others will, too. We are a large community of people, with ever-growing intersections across disciplines and writing, too. Twenty years ago, I don't think I'd ever imagine that I'd have in-depth conversations with writers like Justine. As such, I'm a huge user of social media and think it can do so much for all of us and the community of readers we are, and the one we work for: children. Take a look at Justine's blog post on October 20. Titled "On Writing POC When You Are White," you can find it here: <a rel="nofollow">http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2015/10/20/on-writing-poc-when-you-are-white/</a>.<br /><br />--Debbie<br /><br /><br />Debbie Reesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14972409006633565859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-12144496517456826882015-12-05T17:38:31.448-06:002015-12-05T17:38:31.448-06:00It's all very well to acknowledge our white pr...It's all very well to acknowledge our white privilege, but it's far more important to point to all the people, like Debbie, who have written on these issues for decades. We need to not just point to them but centre what they have to say, NOT what we whites have to say.<br /><br />Justine LarbalestierAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-47464277167903387282015-12-05T13:21:00.690-06:002015-12-05T13:21:00.690-06:00You raise important concerns here, Debby--ones tha...You raise important concerns here, Debby--ones that are constantly on my mind these days as I continue to think about and write about children's literature. I recently became painfully aware of my own unconscious expression of white privilege as I looked through old articles I was considering uploading to Academia.edu, and came upon one on Scott O'Dell's <i>Sing Down the Moon</i> which was published in <i>Horn Book</i> in 1984. It's full of praise for a novel about the “Long Walk” of 1863, in which American soldiers forced the entire Navajo nation to relocate after destroying their villages and crops. Among other things, I say in this essay that I admire O'Dell's choice of not providing his young Navaho narrator with a name for much of the book--a choice which I saw in 1984 as universalizing her and making her a sympathetic and believable character, and which I now see as a commentary on the deprivation of her personhood that in fact confirms and reinforces that deprivation. I also celebrate O'Dell's depiction of the Navajo stoicism and refusal to express anger at what is happening to them--another confirmation of a hoary stereotype.<br /> Worst of all, it become apparent to me as I read through this old essay that I simply took it as an absolute truth that no one who was Navajo or even remotely like a Navajo would ever be part of the audience of the book: "<i>Sing Down the Moon</i> is about people unlike ourselves," I conclude, clearly and unconsciously assuming that all the readers of this book would all be white like me. I am wrestling now with whether or not I should upload this essay as evidence of how ignorant I was and much I've learned about these matters in the last three decades--much of it from you, Debby. Uploading it would have to potential to be very embarrassing; not doing so would misrepresent who I once was. I’m tending to choose to upload it.<br /> At any rate, I find these issues of unconscious racism--my own and that of other white people, especially other white men--deeply troubling. I don't want to have to remain silent about the racism that I find so troublesome, but I'm also aware of the troubling aspects of my choosing to speak about what so troubles me. My own solution to this dilemma is to forefront in anything I write about these topics my awareness of the potentially poisonous aspects of my speaking about them—to acknowledge my white male privilege and to attempt to become aware of how it might be distorting how I see things and read texts before and during and after my readings of those texts. I want to acknowledge and accept the possibility that I might yet once more be seriously embarrassing myself, in the faith that even if I do, my doing so will help to further a cause I profoundly believe in by confirming the blindness of my privilege. And I would hope that any discussion of these matters by other white men like me would be equally aware of and forthright about the minefield they enter in writing about race, equally open to exploring the possibility of their blindnesses, and equally unwilling to assume a kind of authority that unconsciously replicates the very kinds of unconscious repression they want to argue against.Perry Nodelmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03180612700094566557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-53875373580653576862015-12-05T13:08:48.172-06:002015-12-05T13:08:48.172-06:00Did you read the "We are not POC" page?
...Did you read the "We are not POC" page?<br /><br />Please do. Your question prompted me to add an update to that page.Debbie Reesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14972409006633565859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27760240.post-26904620499304617862015-12-05T12:57:12.128-06:002015-12-05T12:57:12.128-06:00In this blog post you seem to identify as a person...In this blog post you seem to identify as a person of color: <br /><br />Did you realize what that would feel like to people of color? Did you imagine any of us, reading those words, as you wrote them? Did you imagine us as your audience? <br /><br />Yet one of the headings on your homepage states "We are not POC." <br /><br />Which is it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com